Comments on: My Cruel, Callous and Mean-Spirited Opinion about the Winkler Murder Case http://themediansib.com/2006/04/02/my-cruel-callous-and-mean-spirited-opinion-about-the-winkler-murder-case/ Fri, 19 Mar 2010 13:31:36 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: Mary Winkler, the Preacher’s Wife » Blue Star Chronicles http://themediansib.com/2006/04/02/my-cruel-callous-and-mean-spirited-opinion-about-the-winkler-murder-case/#comment-155592 Mary Winkler, the Preacher’s Wife » Blue Star Chronicles Mon, 22 Sep 2008 08:30:13 +0000 http://themediansib.com/?p=446#comment-155592 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] My Cruel, Callous and Mean-Spirited Opinion [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> Kramer auto Pingback[...] My Cruel, Callous and Mean-Spirited Opinion [...]

]]> By: olliepee http://themediansib.com/2006/04/02/my-cruel-callous-and-mean-spirited-opinion-about-the-winkler-murder-case/#comment-50052 olliepee Mon, 20 Aug 2007 13:32:33 +0000 http://themediansib.com/?p=446#comment-50052 <p>I think all of you are insane. The complete inabiliy to witness an unjustied, horric murder of the first degree (which is what Mary Winkler should have been charged with) when looking at this situation only shows the depth to which this new way of thinking (i.e., women's liberation, feminism) has taken the minds of American women. Any ideology that misconstrues a premeditative murderer into a helpless victim is itself the problem. Along with Mary Winkler, the entire ideology and movement that brought such morally depraved thinking onto this planet should be on trial. And as far as these issues of control, abuse, and oppression are concerned, these are just the "buzz words" for the rejection of authority, the rejection of personal resposibility and accountability, and a license to engage in any amoral and socially destructive behavoir that appeals to the whims of liberated minds! There, I've said it--what other men should be saying if the weren't too whipped to say it.</p> <p>And while we are on the subject, the need for male control is nothing so horrible as you liberationists make it out to be. Leadership is one of the most honorable and morally sublime characteristics of human relationships. For men to be leaders of women and children should be something for women to be proud of, if men are the good leaders they can be and have been throughout human history. Yes, history books are rift with accounts of the failures of men to provide good leadership. So, if a woman, or a church, or a country can find good leadership from a man (and there is no reason to believe that Mr. Winkler provided anything significantly less than good leadership as pastor and husband) then let the world celebrate his achievements, mourn his death, and despise the deviant criminals (both the one who pulled the trigger and the ones who provided the ideological gun) who took him from his parents, his daughters, and his parishioners.</p> <strong><em>TMS: Wow, the court records give a LOT of evidence that Mr. Winkler provided a great deal of less than good leadership as a husband, father - and thus as a minister. He didn't deserve to die. Mary Winkler shouldn't get off so easily either. Mr. Winkler was not taking ownership of his bad behavior. He was hiding it behind his "authority" as a husband and minister. Your comment is indicative of someone with a lot of anger issues.</em></strong> I think all of you are insane. The complete inabiliy to witness an unjustied, horric murder of the first degree (which is what Mary Winkler should have been charged with) when looking at this situation only shows the depth to which this new way of thinking (i.e., women’s liberation, feminism) has taken the minds of American women. Any ideology that misconstrues a premeditative murderer into a helpless victim is itself the problem. Along with Mary Winkler, the entire ideology and movement that brought such morally depraved thinking onto this planet should be on trial. And as far as these issues of control, abuse, and oppression are concerned, these are just the “buzz words” for the rejection of authority, the rejection of personal resposibility and accountability, and a license to engage in any amoral and socially destructive behavoir that appeals to the whims of liberated minds! There, I’ve said it–what other men should be saying if the weren’t too whipped to say it.

And while we are on the subject, the need for male control is nothing so horrible as you liberationists make it out to be. Leadership is one of the most honorable and morally sublime characteristics of human relationships. For men to be leaders of women and children should be something for women to be proud of, if men are the good leaders they can be and have been throughout human history. Yes, history books are rift with accounts of the failures of men to provide good leadership. So, if a woman, or a church, or a country can find good leadership from a man (and there is no reason to believe that Mr. Winkler provided anything significantly less than good leadership as pastor and husband) then let the world celebrate his achievements, mourn his death, and despise the deviant criminals (both the one who pulled the trigger and the ones who provided the ideological gun) who took him from his parents, his daughters, and his parishioners.

TMS: Wow, the court records give a LOT of evidence that Mr. Winkler provided a great deal of less than good leadership as a husband, father - and thus as a minister. He didn’t deserve to die. Mary Winkler shouldn’t get off so easily either. Mr. Winkler was not taking ownership of his bad behavior. He was hiding it behind his “authority” as a husband and minister. Your comment is indicative of someone with a lot of anger issues.

]]> By: Tip Randall http://themediansib.com/2006/04/02/my-cruel-callous-and-mean-spirited-opinion-about-the-winkler-murder-case/#comment-43948 Tip Randall Tue, 01 May 2007 23:56:15 +0000 http://themediansib.com/?p=446#comment-43948 I don't know if Joy is still checking this blog but her expose on her involvement with the coc is very indicative of one who is saved by Jesus Christ and not by any church. Her words ring so true and clear. I am glad she is spending her time teaching others, especially her son, about the importance of relationship and not church affiliation. I was a minister in the coc for many years and have left that denomination (yes, it is a denomination)and enjoy true freedom in Christ. Joy - may God bless you as you serve others. The very thing that Jesus came to do - to serve others. I don’t know if Joy is still checking this blog but her expose on her involvement with the coc is very indicative of one who is saved by Jesus Christ and not by any church. Her words ring so true and clear. I am glad she is spending her time teaching others, especially her son, about the importance of relationship and not church affiliation. I was a minister in the coc for many years and have left that denomination (yes, it is a denomination)and enjoy true freedom in Christ.

Joy - may God bless you as you serve others. The very thing that Jesus came to do - to serve others.

]]> By: Amanda http://themediansib.com/2006/04/02/my-cruel-callous-and-mean-spirited-opinion-about-the-winkler-murder-case/#comment-43223 Amanda Wed, 18 Apr 2007 18:45:13 +0000 http://themediansib.com/?p=446#comment-43223 Regardless of Mary Winkler's motive and the fact that it was her husband, she still shot someone. She still deserves to go to jail for an amount of time. I seem to recall that murder is against the law, and one of the 10 commandments. This Brett person that emailed you, and started his rant about the old testament, needs to realize that many people do still follow (very closely) the old testament - those of the Jewish faith! The old testament, by the way, is where the ten commandments are, Brett. <strong><em>TMS: The fact is, though, that many people who commit murder never go to jail. It all depends on the circumstances and why the murder was committed. However, the fact that she shot him while he was sleeping is definitely something that won't work in her favor.</em></strong> Regardless of Mary Winkler’s motive and the fact that it was her husband, she still shot someone. She still deserves to go to jail for an amount of time. I seem to recall that murder is against the law, and one of the 10 commandments. This Brett person that emailed you, and started his rant about the old testament, needs to realize that many people do still follow (very closely) the old testament - those of the Jewish faith! The old testament, by the way, is where the ten commandments are, Brett.

TMS: The fact is, though, that many people who commit murder never go to jail. It all depends on the circumstances and why the murder was committed. However, the fact that she shot him while he was sleeping is definitely something that won’t work in her favor.

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]]> By: The Median Sib » Blog Archive » Mary Winkler - the story people won’t let go http://themediansib.com/2006/04/02/my-cruel-callous-and-mean-spirited-opinion-about-the-winkler-murder-case/#comment-605 The Median Sib » Blog Archive » Mary Winkler - the story people won’t let go Sat, 22 Apr 2006 04:07:29 +0000 http://themediansib.com/?p=446#comment-605 [...] in the Church - Is the Church of Christ right? (Winkler post follow-up),   Trackback  Permalink   Filed under: This 'n That Leave aComment [...] [...] in the Church - Is the Church of Christ right? (Winkler post follow-up),   Trackback  Permalink   Filed under: This ‘n That Leave aComment [...]

]]> By: Joy http://themediansib.com/2006/04/02/my-cruel-callous-and-mean-spirited-opinion-about-the-winkler-murder-case/#comment-600 Joy Fri, 21 Apr 2006 19:30:28 +0000 http://themediansib.com/?p=446#comment-600 I am a woman and a member of the Church of Christ. You must remember that there are various versions of the COC just as there are of baptists, methodists etc. I chose to be a member of this Church, when I was a teenager and not at my parents urging. It is true that some people in the very far past, have made it seem like all members of the COC believe we are the only one's going to Heaven. I am leaving that up to God. "Judge not that you be not judged." I do believe that believing in Christ as your Savior is an essential part of being saved and that baptism by immersion is also needed. It is true that at the COC that I am a member of, women are not allowed to be preachers or lead singing etc. in the Church service. However, there are many opportunities that I have to serve the members of our Church and those in our community including leading a variety of community service projects including giving gifts and food to needy families in our community during the holidays; helping stock our food pantry which is open to all in need; leading Bible School classes for a variety of ages; visiting the sick; preparing food for the sick; visiting hospital and home shut-ins etc. I also focus on raising my beautiful 9-year-old son who was recently baptized because I have shown him in my life what God can do for you. Let me say that part was not easy like you may think because at the age of 38 I was diagnosed with a very bad form of Breast Cancer. I give God, Jesus and the many angels at the Church and those I met in the crowds for saving my life, along with my wonderful doctors. This experience has helped me become more 'open' to God and Jesus being all around me and the many wonders and miracles I see each day. Before I was laid off in December of last year I also worked full-time, so I am not a Christian who believes that women must stay at home and be bearfoot and pregnant. I used my time at work to help reach others. Just because I choose not to worship with a woman preacher or be lead in song by other women doesn't make me backwards or old fashioned. I am a strong-willed woman who has led many projects in civic organizations and where I work. I chose to follow what I read in the New Testament (and yes, we do study the Old Testament - very much in fact) as my guide to worshipping God. While I was dating (many years ago) I wanted to marry a preacher and help spread the word that I so strongly believe in. I didn't see it as a punishment. It might interest you to know that many COC have Women's Bible Study Classes led by woman, some where they even lead singing. This is not done as part of the actual Church service but before in Bible class time. I also led singing and devotionals when I was at the Christian College (Freed-Hardeman) in my all-female dorm. Thank you for letting me share my thoughts. Joy I am a woman and a member of the Church of Christ. You must remember that there are various versions of the COC just as there are of baptists, methodists etc. I chose to be a member of this Church, when I was a teenager and not at my parents urging. It is true that some people in the very far past, have made it seem like all members of the COC believe we are the only one’s going to Heaven. I am leaving that up to God. “Judge not that you be not judged.” I do believe that believing in Christ as your Savior is an essential part of being saved and that baptism by immersion is also needed.

It is true that at the COC that I am a member of, women are not allowed to be preachers or lead singing etc. in the Church service. However, there are many opportunities that I have to serve the members of our Church and those in our community including leading a variety of community service projects including giving gifts and food to needy families in our community during the holidays; helping stock our food pantry which is open to all in need; leading Bible School classes for a variety of ages; visiting the sick; preparing food for the sick; visiting hospital and home shut-ins etc. I also focus on raising my beautiful 9-year-old son who was recently baptized because I have shown him in my life what God can do for you. Let me say that part was not easy like you may think because at the age of 38 I was diagnosed with a very bad form of Breast Cancer. I give God, Jesus and the many angels at the Church and those I met in the crowds for saving my life, along with my wonderful doctors. This experience has helped me become more ‘open’ to God and Jesus being all around me and the many wonders and miracles I see each day.

Before I was laid off in December of last year I also worked full-time, so I am not a Christian who believes that women must stay at home and be bearfoot and pregnant. I used my time at work to help reach others. Just because I choose not to worship with a woman preacher or be lead in song by other women doesn’t make me backwards or old fashioned. I am a strong-willed woman who has led many projects in civic organizations and where I work. I chose to follow what I read in the New Testament (and yes, we do study the Old Testament - very much in fact) as my guide to worshipping God. While I was dating (many years ago) I wanted to marry a preacher and help spread the word that I so strongly believe in. I didn’t see it as a punishment.

It might interest you to know that many COC have Women’s Bible Study Classes led by woman, some where they even lead singing. This is not done as part of the actual Church service but before in Bible class time. I also led singing and devotionals when I was at the Christian College (Freed-Hardeman) in my all-female dorm.

Thank you for letting me share my thoughts.
Joy

]]> By: Trina http://themediansib.com/2006/04/02/my-cruel-callous-and-mean-spirited-opinion-about-the-winkler-murder-case/#comment-424 Trina Thu, 06 Apr 2006 21:50:31 +0000 http://themediansib.com/?p=446#comment-424 Rhian, I agree with everyone else about Carol's posts, except you. I do not choose to judge you or guess what has happened in your life with or without the church of Christ, but have you ever really read the things that you post. IF there is anyone that has a mean spirit or is cruel or callous, I would venture to say sir, that it is you. Carol, I think your posts are open and fair. The only thing I would want to say, being a member of a wonderful church of Christ, is that not everything is as it may appear to one person. Thank you for the opportunity to share my opinion. Rhian,

I agree with everyone else about Carol’s posts, except you. I do not choose to judge you or guess what has happened in your life with or without the church of Christ, but have you ever really read the things that you post. IF there is anyone that has a mean spirit or is cruel or callous, I would venture to say sir, that it is you.

Carol,
I think your posts are open and fair. The only thing I would want to say, being a member of a wonderful church of Christ, is that not everything is as it may appear to one person. Thank you for the opportunity to share my opinion.

]]> By: The Median Sib » Women’s Place in the Church - Is the Church of Christ right? (Winkler post follow-up) http://themediansib.com/2006/04/02/my-cruel-callous-and-mean-spirited-opinion-about-the-winkler-murder-case/#comment-385 The Median Sib » Women’s Place in the Church - Is the Church of Christ right? (Winkler post follow-up) Wed, 05 Apr 2006 02:41:22 +0000 http://themediansib.com/?p=446#comment-385 [...] People continue to read and debate the post I wrote over a week ago about Mary Winkler’s killing of her husband, a Church of Christ minister. If you want to read that post or others, go here, here, and here. In the comments section, people have argued about what the Church of Christ believes or doesn’t believe and what it practices or doesn’t practice. There are strong and passionate feelings both pro and con. For the most part it has been a civilized discussion. I’ve only had to edit one comment that crossed the line. After reading all the arguments for the submission of women in the COC and the arguments about why they don’t use instrumental music (which probably has more to do with saving money than with any Biblical misunderstanding since they do a LOT of things in their church and services that are not found in the New Testament), I figured it was time to provide some background for my beliefs. [...] [...] People continue to read and debate the post I wrote over a week ago about Mary Winkler’s killing of her husband, a Church of Christ minister. If you want to read that post or others, go here, here, and here. In the comments section, people have argued about what the Church of Christ believes or doesn’t believe and what it practices or doesn’t practice. There are strong and passionate feelings both pro and con. For the most part it has been a civilized discussion. I’ve only had to edit one comment that crossed the line. After reading all the arguments for the submission of women in the COC and the arguments about why they don’t use instrumental music (which probably has more to do with saving money than with any Biblical misunderstanding since they do a LOT of things in their church and services that are not found in the New Testament), I figured it was time to provide some background for my beliefs. [...]

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