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		<title>By: Lenda</title>
		<link>http://themediansib.com/2007/02/05/mary-winkler-out-partying-smoking-and-drinking/#comment-253186</link>
		<dc:creator>Lenda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 01:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh please. Mary Winkler did not have post partum depression, her youngest child was, what, 5 or 6? PPD not the issue here!! Mary Winkler murdered her husband in cold blood, she is no better than Scott Peterson. I am tired of people giving her a break just because she is a woman. She needs to be sitting on death row right next to Scott Peterson.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh please. Mary Winkler did not have post partum depression, her youngest child was, what, 5 or 6? PPD not the issue here!! Mary Winkler murdered her husband in cold blood, she is no better than Scott Peterson. I am tired of people giving her a break just because she is a woman. She needs to be sitting on death row right next to Scott Peterson.</p>
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		<title>By: What&#8217;s Everybody Talking About 13 &#187; Blue Star Chronicles</title>
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		<dc:creator>What&#8217;s Everybody Talking About 13 &#187; Blue Star Chronicles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 03:18:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Median Sib has been keep up with the Mary Winkler case. Reading her latest article on the subject makes me wonder if Mary Winkler is just flat out going over the edge. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The Median Sib has been keep up with the Mary Winkler case. Reading her latest article on the subject makes me wonder if Mary Winkler is just flat out going over the edge. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2007 14:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am just dumbfounded.  Let the system work, but also remember Matthew isn't here to defend himself.  His life was taken, and taken by Mary Winkler.  I'm not sure I believe the abuse story, but that doesn't matter.  I lived through an abusive relationship, and I didn't stay, I left.  People act as if there were no other options, there were plenty of options.

There were other options besides murder.  And whether you agree or disagree, people will always draw conclusions and make moral judgments regarding someone's character.  People can say that no one can tell you what your morals are all they want, it doesn't negate the fact that there is a moral compass.

I may not be a minister's wife, but I am a minister's daughter.  My compassion here goes out to the family of Matthew Winkler and his congregation.

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;TMS:  My compassion goes out to everybody involved.  It's a lose-lose situation.  The biggest losers are the daughters of Matthew and Mary Winkler.  I DO have compassion for Mary Winkler because whatever the causes/motives, she had to have been at her wit's end to kill her husband and the father of her children.  Whether it was abuse, post-partum depression or whatever, she did something so drastic and crazy that OF COURSE people are going to speculate about what could have happened for her to do something so extreme.  There was definitely SOMETHING going on out of the ordinary.  And while we can sit back and talk about all the options she had, she probably saw no options because of her situation.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am just dumbfounded.  Let the system work, but also remember Matthew isn&#8217;t here to defend himself.  His life was taken, and taken by Mary Winkler.  I&#8217;m not sure I believe the abuse story, but that doesn&#8217;t matter.  I lived through an abusive relationship, and I didn&#8217;t stay, I left.  People act as if there were no other options, there were plenty of options.</p>
<p>There were other options besides murder.  And whether you agree or disagree, people will always draw conclusions and make moral judgments regarding someone&#8217;s character.  People can say that no one can tell you what your morals are all they want, it doesn&#8217;t negate the fact that there is a moral compass.</p>
<p>I may not be a minister&#8217;s wife, but I am a minister&#8217;s daughter.  My compassion here goes out to the family of Matthew Winkler and his congregation.</p>
<p><strong><em>TMS:  My compassion goes out to everybody involved.  It&#8217;s a lose-lose situation.  The biggest losers are the daughters of Matthew and Mary Winkler.  I DO have compassion for Mary Winkler because whatever the causes/motives, she had to have been at her wit&#8217;s end to kill her husband and the father of her children.  Whether it was abuse, post-partum depression or whatever, she did something so drastic and crazy that OF COURSE people are going to speculate about what could have happened for her to do something so extreme.  There was definitely SOMETHING going on out of the ordinary.  And while we can sit back and talk about all the options she had, she probably saw no options because of her situation.</em></strong></p>
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		<title>By: Jean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 22:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, where is your compassion for this woman and what she possibly went through to get to the place of doing what she did if you know of abuse that shows no physical bruises?  

And, all of us have moments where we change the words of someone else to we're "merely" doing something else. It is amazing how the words are parallel in meaning, and we feel justified.  One of my favorites is, "Oh, I'm not worried, I am just concerned."

I wonder what might happen, though, if we all tried our best to see things through Mary's eyes and feelings, and defended her for taking a "break" from the pain. I may be wrong--she may be so full of evil that she deserves no compassion. But, I still have compassion for her and all who have been affected by what she has done. I choose not be a part of her consequences. There are enough of them without my contributing to them.

Thank you for your response. I am sure you are truly an understanding person due to your own experience.

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;TMS:  Wow!  You really HAVEN'T read any of my other postings on this topic.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, where is your compassion for this woman and what she possibly went through to get to the place of doing what she did if you know of abuse that shows no physical bruises?  </p>
<p>And, all of us have moments where we change the words of someone else to we&#8217;re &#8220;merely&#8221; doing something else. It is amazing how the words are parallel in meaning, and we feel justified.  One of my favorites is, &#8220;Oh, I&#8217;m not worried, I am just concerned.&#8221;</p>
<p>I wonder what might happen, though, if we all tried our best to see things through Mary&#8217;s eyes and feelings, and defended her for taking a &#8220;break&#8221; from the pain. I may be wrong&#8211;she may be so full of evil that she deserves no compassion. But, I still have compassion for her and all who have been affected by what she has done. I choose not be a part of her consequences. There are enough of them without my contributing to them.</p>
<p>Thank you for your response. I am sure you are truly an understanding person due to your own experience.</p>
<p><strong><em>TMS:  Wow!  You really HAVEN&#8217;T read any of my other postings on this topic.</em></strong></p>
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		<title>By: Jean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 04:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those pictures are proof of nothing. If you have not walked in a person's shoes, how can you make a judgment as a result of unclear pictures?

It is the jury's job to look at the evidence which will be presented and make a judgment---not ones who have nothing but blurry pictures to look at. Allow the system to work.

Believe me, you do not want to go through abuse which shows no physical bruises. People who have no idea of the damage it does talk like you guys are talking. That is bad judgment on your part. I guess that is why you can so clearly recognize her bad judgment.

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;TMS: Get off your high horse, Jean.  I certainly know about abuse that shows no physical bruises.  That's what my original post on this topic last March was about.  No one is interfering with the work of the system.  We're merely making observations and comments.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those pictures are proof of nothing. If you have not walked in a person&#8217;s shoes, how can you make a judgment as a result of unclear pictures?</p>
<p>It is the jury&#8217;s job to look at the evidence which will be presented and make a judgment&#8212;not ones who have nothing but blurry pictures to look at. Allow the system to work.</p>
<p>Believe me, you do not want to go through abuse which shows no physical bruises. People who have no idea of the damage it does talk like you guys are talking. That is bad judgment on your part. I guess that is why you can so clearly recognize her bad judgment.</p>
<p><strong><em>TMS: Get off your high horse, Jean.  I certainly know about abuse that shows no physical bruises.  That&#8217;s what my original post on this topic last March was about.  No one is interfering with the work of the system.  We&#8217;re merely making observations and comments.</em></strong></p>
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		<title>By: carol</title>
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		<dc:creator>carol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 04:21:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if i was her i,d be worrying bout my trial and my children instead of the bars if she was drinking it shows how little she cares bout everything around her ,i agree if she was abused so bad where were
the bruises i think its still harsh what she did no matter what she did she needs be punish for that crime noone deserves be murder no matter what the case is
carol montana</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if i was her i,d be worrying bout my trial and my children instead of the bars if she was drinking it shows how little she cares bout everything around her ,i agree if she was abused so bad where were<br />
the bruises i think its still harsh what she did no matter what she did she needs be punish for that crime noone deserves be murder no matter what the case is<br />
carol montana</p>
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		<title>By: Joy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Feb 2007 21:22:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gee, isn't it interesting that now that Matthew is dead, she is free to pursue partying in a bar, drinking and smoking.  I know that the Winkler family never have and never will do such things. 

Was she the abused waif her family claims?  I don't know of one single bruise on her body when she was picked up by the police.  And I'm sure if there WERE any, Farese would be playing that up big time in the media.  Any hospital records of abuse?  None that we know of yet.  Her kids were old enough to be able to talk about any abuse to teachers etc.  Did they?  Not that I know of.  Did she ever tell anyone of abuse?  It's interesting that her family, who have a vested interest in defending her, are the only ones I've heard saying this stuff.

This latest stunt of hers not only shows bad judgement, it's the icing on the cake.  It's directly oppositional to everything that Matthew stood for, and I think it attempts to make a mockery of his death. 

I think she aught to be convicted. I think she aught to spend the rest of her natural life in prison.  She took a man's life, and I think should pay with the rest of hers.  He'll never get parole, why should she?

I hope she repents and makes it right with God in her lifetime.  But repenting doesn't mean that she shouldn't face the legal consequences of her actions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee, isn&#8217;t it interesting that now that Matthew is dead, she is free to pursue partying in a bar, drinking and smoking.  I know that the Winkler family never have and never will do such things. </p>
<p>Was she the abused waif her family claims?  I don&#8217;t know of one single bruise on her body when she was picked up by the police.  And I&#8217;m sure if there WERE any, Farese would be playing that up big time in the media.  Any hospital records of abuse?  None that we know of yet.  Her kids were old enough to be able to talk about any abuse to teachers etc.  Did they?  Not that I know of.  Did she ever tell anyone of abuse?  It&#8217;s interesting that her family, who have a vested interest in defending her, are the only ones I&#8217;ve heard saying this stuff.</p>
<p>This latest stunt of hers not only shows bad judgement, it&#8217;s the icing on the cake.  It&#8217;s directly oppositional to everything that Matthew stood for, and I think it attempts to make a mockery of his death. </p>
<p>I think she aught to be convicted. I think she aught to spend the rest of her natural life in prison.  She took a man&#8217;s life, and I think should pay with the rest of hers.  He&#8217;ll never get parole, why should she?</p>
<p>I hope she repents and makes it right with God in her lifetime.  But repenting doesn&#8217;t mean that she shouldn&#8217;t face the legal consequences of her actions.</p>
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		<title>By: Blue Star Chronicles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blue Star Chronicles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Feb 2007 21:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;What&#8217;s Everybody Talking About...&lt;/strong&gt;

Just looking around to see what people are blogging about &#8230;..
Hyscience tells us the story of an Iraqi policeman who sacrifices himself to keep a homicide bomber from killing others.

Too many politicians in Washington, both Democrat and Republic...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>What&#8217;s Everybody Talking About&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Just looking around to see what people are blogging about &#8230;..<br />
Hyscience tells us the story of an Iraqi policeman who sacrifices himself to keep a homicide bomber from killing others.</p>
<p>Too many politicians in Washington, both Democrat and Republic&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Feb 2007 14:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I looked at the pictures and they are rather grainy and I can't really tell if it is her.   But if it is, she exercised VERY poor judgment.  You would think she would know better or at least go to another town to party!

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;TMS: I don't expect her to be a hermit.  However, she is about to be on trial for murdering her husband and the father of her children.  Her children are being raised now by her inlaws.  It just doesn't exhibit maturity/smarts to be out in bars drinking and smoking.  Like it or not, her character is on trial.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I looked at the pictures and they are rather grainy and I can&#8217;t really tell if it is her.   But if it is, she exercised VERY poor judgment.  You would think she would know better or at least go to another town to party!</p>
<p><strong><em>TMS: I don&#8217;t expect her to be a hermit.  However, she is about to be on trial for murdering her husband and the father of her children.  Her children are being raised now by her inlaws.  It just doesn&#8217;t exhibit maturity/smarts to be out in bars drinking and smoking.  Like it or not, her character is on trial.</em></strong></p>
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		<title>By: Deborah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deborah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Feb 2007 01:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carol, I found your blog via "Collecting My Thoughts." I live in Georgia, I am a middle sib (one older brother, one younger), and I remember madras! I've been ot Anchorage Alaska! I love your blog.

About that story: Poor judgement indeed. 

Kind of like the woman down here who murdered her policeman husband, called in sick so she could drive the body to SC and dump it in a lake, then not report him missing until she went to pick up his paycheck. Very poor judgement.

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;TMS:  Thanks for stopping by, Deborah.  We have several things in common!  And I'm originally from Georgia, too - born and raised!   Sounds like there's plenty of poor judgment to go around!  You'd think a policeman's wife would know better!&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carol, I found your blog via &#8220;Collecting My Thoughts.&#8221; I live in Georgia, I am a middle sib (one older brother, one younger), and I remember madras! I&#8217;ve been ot Anchorage Alaska! I love your blog.</p>
<p>About that story: Poor judgement indeed. </p>
<p>Kind of like the woman down here who murdered her policeman husband, called in sick so she could drive the body to SC and dump it in a lake, then not report him missing until she went to pick up his paycheck. Very poor judgement.</p>
<p><strong><em>TMS:  Thanks for stopping by, Deborah.  We have several things in common!  And I&#8217;m originally from Georgia, too - born and raised!   Sounds like there&#8217;s plenty of poor judgment to go around!  You&#8217;d think a policeman&#8217;s wife would know better!</em></strong></p>
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