Comments on: Mary Winkler - the story people won’t let go http://themediansib.com/2006/04/21/mary-winkler-the-story-that-wont-go-away/ Thu, 08 Jan 2009 21:13:37 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: cae http://themediansib.com/2006/04/21/mary-winkler-the-story-that-wont-go-away/#comment-13615 cae Tue, 19 Sep 2006 14:18:16 +0000 http://themediansib.com/?p=485#comment-13615 she must have felt trapped. she must have felt trapped.

]]> By: Jeff http://themediansib.com/2006/04/21/mary-winkler-the-story-that-wont-go-away/#comment-920 Jeff Thu, 11 May 2006 16:40:15 +0000 http://themediansib.com/?p=485#comment-920 Carol…People won’t let go because they want to know why. A jury will want to know why. The police and other authorities know what she said to be the reason, and it is highly unusual for the reason to have not been disclosed, some way, to this point. She is probably not a sociopath, probably not legally insane, so it is not unusual for a segment of the general public to be suspicious and inquisitive. I know you feel everyone should just let it go. So….I will pose this question: did he deserve to die…in her mind? I check this story every two weeks. Be back with you then. Carol…People won’t let go because they want to know why. A jury will want to know why. The police and other authorities know what she said to be the reason, and it is highly unusual for the reason to have not been disclosed, some way, to this point. She is probably not a sociopath, probably not legally insane, so it is not unusual for a segment of the general public to be suspicious and inquisitive. I know you feel everyone should just let it go. So….I will pose this question: did he deserve to die…in her mind?

I check this story every two weeks. Be back with you then.

]]> By: carol http://themediansib.com/2006/04/21/mary-winkler-the-story-that-wont-go-away/#comment-637 carol Wed, 26 Apr 2006 01:25:20 +0000 http://themediansib.com/?p=485#comment-637 Renee, I had heard rumors about that, but I had not heard from anyone who had any knowledge of it. And so I haven't mentioned it here before. It would certainly explain the decision to murder rather than divorce. It's a mystery at this point, and I'm looking forward to the time when the reasons for the murder are revealed. Thanks for stopping by and commenting. Renee, I had heard rumors about that, but I had not heard from anyone who had any knowledge of it. And so I haven’t mentioned it here before. It would certainly explain the decision to murder rather than divorce. It’s a mystery at this point, and I’m looking forward to the time when the reasons for the murder are revealed. Thanks for stopping by and commenting.

]]> By: Renee http://themediansib.com/2006/04/21/mary-winkler-the-story-that-wont-go-away/#comment-636 Renee Tue, 25 Apr 2006 23:50:02 +0000 http://themediansib.com/?p=485#comment-636 AND, just a little FYI, our website for Central Church of Christ in Mcminnville says absolutely NOTHING about his death. There is a reason for that. If we have to pick sides, it wouldn't be his. AND, just a little FYI, our website for Central Church of Christ in Mcminnville says absolutely NOTHING about his death. There is a reason for that. If we have to pick sides, it wouldn’t be his.

]]> By: Renee http://themediansib.com/2006/04/21/mary-winkler-the-story-that-wont-go-away/#comment-633 Renee Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:23:12 +0000 http://themediansib.com/?p=485#comment-633 Pastor Winkler used to be our Youth Pastor in Mcminnville, where he was dismissed because of inappropriate conduct/relations with minors... I will leave it at that. Pastor Winkler used to be our Youth Pastor in Mcminnville, where he was dismissed because of inappropriate conduct/relations with minors…

I will leave it at that.

]]> By: carol http://themediansib.com/2006/04/21/mary-winkler-the-story-that-wont-go-away/#comment-627 carol Tue, 25 Apr 2006 04:45:36 +0000 http://themediansib.com/?p=485#comment-627 I received an email from the person whose post I inadvertently deleted. She provided the Bible verses she had mentioned in the comment (Titus 3:2, James 4:11, and James 3). She tells me that my comments here are hurtful and that I have not followed the scripture admonition to "speak the truth in love" and that I have been been "jabbing other church members." I have certainly not deliberately set out to hurt anyone's feelings. However, I AM genuinely puzzled by the responses I've received from COC people. I'm 57 years old, and I've been in the church my whole life. I've read and studied the Bible. I was completely astounded when I first attended a COC a few years ago and realized the extent of their mistreatment (in my opinion) of women. I honestly and truly had no idea that there were any churches - other than perhaps a few back woods, uneducated ones - that still clung to those beliefs.  And I've been even further amazed that women themselves continue to insist that it's what the Bible tells them to do - when clearly if one studies the Bible in depth and in context of the times in which it was written, that interpretation is not correct.  In reading and studying the Bible as sincerely and prayerfully as I possibly can, I don't get the same interpretation.  And I sincerely believe that those dominant male/submissive female beliefs are a prescription for abuse to occur.  Of course it doesn't always occur, and of course there are happy and fulfilled people in the COC.  However, when the tendencies are there, that belief system provides fuel for it to happen.   Women have written comments here about how wrong I am - that they're outspoken and are able to do whatever they want - that they are NOT treated as inferior to the men ...but then they add except they can't speak in church or attend the "mens' business meetings" or teach a class that has adult male believers in it.  One even went to far as to use the fact that women are able to play women's roles in dramas in church as evidence that they are not treated as inferiors.  I guess it IS a concession that the COC men don't insist on Shakespearean acting where men play the women's parts, too.  I believe the COC will answer to God for not using fully the God-given talents and abilities of half their members.  I believe, as the Bible teaches, that Jesus came to do away with the religion of "law", but from what I experienced, and from what I've read in comments here, the COC has replaced Jesus' mercy and grace and freedom with more laws.  Laws couched in lofty words, but laws nonetheless.  However, if the beliefs of the COC are your choice, then that's your decision.  And on the issue of no instrumental music - as I've written before, that's no big deal. It's rather absurd, but it doesn't have anything to do with how people are treated - it's a minor thing. So if you feel "hurt" by what I've written, I'm sorry. If you've chosen to follow the COC's beliefs, then that's your business.  However, the things I've written are my sincere beliefs. I received an email from the person whose post I inadvertently deleted. She provided the Bible verses she had mentioned in the comment (Titus 3:2, James 4:11, and James 3). She tells me that my comments here are hurtful and that I have not followed the scripture admonition to “speak the truth in love” and that I have been been “jabbing other church members.” I have certainly not deliberately set out to hurt anyone’s feelings. However, I AM genuinely puzzled by the responses I’ve received from COC people. I’m 57 years old, and I’ve been in the church my whole life. I’ve read and studied the Bible. I was completely astounded when I first attended a COC a few years ago and realized the extent of their mistreatment (in my opinion) of women. I honestly and truly had no idea that there were any churches - other than perhaps a few back woods, uneducated ones - that still clung to those beliefs.  And I’ve been even further amazed that women themselves continue to insist that it’s what the Bible tells them to do - when clearly if one studies the Bible in depth and in context of the times in which it was written, that interpretation is not correct.  In reading and studying the Bible as sincerely and prayerfully as I possibly can, I don’t get the same interpretation.  And I sincerely believe that those dominant male/submissive female beliefs are a prescription for abuse to occur.  Of course it doesn’t always occur, and of course there are happy and fulfilled people in the COC.  However, when the tendencies are there, that belief system provides fuel for it to happen.   Women have written comments here about how wrong I am - that they’re outspoken and are able to do whatever they want - that they are NOT treated as inferior to the men …but then they add except they can’t speak in church or attend the “mens’ business meetings” or teach a class that has adult male believers in it.  One even went to far as to use the fact that women are able to play women’s roles in dramas in church as evidence that they are not treated as inferiors.  I guess it IS a concession that the COC men don’t insist on Shakespearean acting where men play the women’s parts, too.  I believe the COC will answer to God for not using fully the God-given talents and abilities of half their members.  I believe, as the Bible teaches, that Jesus came to do away with the religion of “law”, but from what I experienced, and from what I’ve read in comments here, the COC has replaced Jesus’ mercy and grace and freedom with more laws.  Laws couched in lofty words, but laws nonetheless.  However, if the beliefs of the COC are your choice, then that’s your decision.  And on the issue of no instrumental music - as I’ve written before, that’s no big deal. It’s rather absurd, but it doesn’t have anything to do with how people are treated - it’s a minor thing. So if you feel “hurt” by what I’ve written, I’m sorry. If you’ve chosen to follow the COC’s beliefs, then that’s your business.  However, the things I’ve written are my sincere beliefs.

]]> By: carol http://themediansib.com/2006/04/21/mary-winkler-the-story-that-wont-go-away/#comment-626 carol Mon, 24 Apr 2006 22:34:35 +0000 http://themediansib.com/?p=485#comment-626 I apologize to someone who left a comment here earlier this afternoon (Monday, 4/24). I was moderating the most recent comments and the "spam" button and the "approve" button are right next to each other. I was also talking on the phone - so I was distracted. Anyway, I accidentally deleted the comment as "spam" - and I don't think there is a way to "undo" it. I tried my best to undo it, but it's just not possible. The comment listed some Bible verses, and I had wanted to look them up. The first was Titus 3:2, I believe. However, I didn't get a chance to note what the others were. So if that commenter was you, please re-post, and please accept my apologies. I love to get comments, and I feel really bad that I accidentally deleted your comment. I apologize to someone who left a comment here earlier this afternoon (Monday, 4/24). I was moderating the most recent comments and the “spam” button and the “approve” button are right next to each other. I was also talking on the phone - so I was distracted. Anyway, I accidentally deleted the comment as “spam” - and I don’t think there is a way to “undo” it. I tried my best to undo it, but it’s just not possible. The comment listed some Bible verses, and I had wanted to look them up. The first was Titus 3:2, I believe. However, I didn’t get a chance to note what the others were. So if that commenter was you, please re-post, and please accept my apologies. I love to get comments, and I feel really bad that I accidentally deleted your comment.

]]> By: Ruth http://themediansib.com/2006/04/21/mary-winkler-the-story-that-wont-go-away/#comment-617 Ruth Sat, 22 Apr 2006 22:09:58 +0000 http://themediansib.com/?p=485#comment-617 It is interesting that I have not heard much about Mary Winkler for awhile. Has the news media lost interest? Or has Mary Winkler decided she will take her reason for the shooting to the grave with her? She knows whatever statemnt she makes will b headline news. It is so sad. BTW...I also enjyed your post about the kids T Shirts. I amazesd me that parents buy some of these T Shirts... It is interesting that I have not heard much about Mary Winkler for awhile. Has the news media lost interest? Or has Mary Winkler decided she will take her reason for the shooting to the grave with her? She knows whatever statemnt she makes will b headline news. It is so sad.

BTW…I also enjyed your post about the kids T Shirts. I amazesd me that parents buy some of these T Shirts…

]]> By: carol http://themediansib.com/2006/04/21/mary-winkler-the-story-that-wont-go-away/#comment-615 carol Sat, 22 Apr 2006 21:37:43 +0000 http://themediansib.com/?p=485#comment-615 Glad you found TMS, David, and glad you like the changes! Glad you found TMS, David, and glad you like the changes!

]]> By: utenzi http://themediansib.com/2006/04/21/mary-winkler-the-story-that-wont-go-away/#comment-613 utenzi Sat, 22 Apr 2006 20:54:51 +0000 http://themediansib.com/?p=485#comment-613 Your sister told me that your blog had moved, Carol. I love the changes here. Even though the look is the same it's obvious that there's been some serious tweaking under the hood, so to speak. I also envy you having your own domain, Carol. Very nice! Your sister told me that your blog had moved, Carol. I love the changes here. Even though the look is the same it’s obvious that there’s been some serious tweaking under the hood, so to speak. I also envy you having your own domain, Carol. Very nice!

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